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The My Little Jamjar Mods ([personal profile] ponymeisters) wrote in [community profile] mylittleooc2014-05-04 04:49 pm
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Quick but important OoC update!

Hey, everyone! Ni here with a quick announcement regarding a change in rules regarding canon character limits. The changes in these rules are reflected in our F.A.Q., as well as the rules regarding the limit on basement items, and the change regarding Celestia being apped. The canon character limit information, however, is the most important, and is addressed both in the F.A.Q. and below.

Basically, after discussion among the mods, its been decided that our two character limit per canon needed to be clarified, and a potential loophole closed. I just want to clarify that no one's been abusing this, no one's in trouble, everyone is fine, and you guys are all awesome. But its something that has been brought up and thus still needs to be addressed and clarified for the future.

In any case, as a result of our discussions, we've decided that our two-character-per-canon limit now applies to meta-canons/fandom metaverses. What this means is that players can only app up to two characters per meta-canon, as well as just in any given canon. Our definition of a meta-canon, or metaverse, is basically a canon with multiple iterations, be it canons with multiple series within its metaverse that share a common, overarching multiverse (such as Kamen Rider/Super Sentai and the Marvel multiverse), or as metaverses which have canons which retell the same basic story in multiple mediums (such as Sailor Moon and Final Fantasy). The new limit rule takes effect immediately.

We know that this creates a potential problem for some players currently in-game. As a result of this rule change, some players' character rosters may go over the set limit because of how we now classify certain canons. However, we're not going to make anyone drop any characters they currently have, since the rule change is a new one. Instead, we've decided that characters currently in-game who would normally count towards a player's character limit will be grandfathered in. Players won't be penalized for any current characters which violate this new rule, and they won't be required to drop any current characters as a result. However, if said characters are dropped in the future, said characters will be subject to the character limit, and players will not be allowed to re-apply for them without adhering to the new limits. This includes if said characters are auto-dropped in the future because of a failed AC.

With that, thank you for reading, and we will continue to keep you updated on any new changes and rule clarifications in the future!
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[personal profile] kind_to_all 2014-05-04 09:57 pm (UTC)(link)
As a question of clarification, do fanfictions count as meta-canon? For example, under the new rules, would I be unable to app both a MLP fanfiction character and a setting native background character, while still keeping Fluttershy?
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[personal profile] kind_to_all 2014-05-04 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Cloud Kicker, so not an OC. Thanks!
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[personal profile] ponycure_dream 2014-05-04 10:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Piggybacking on the fanfictions as meta-canon thing, what about crossovers, specifically crossovers that meld one universe to another?

For example, let's go with the "Magical Pony Lyrical Twilight" stories, which puts the events of Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha, Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha A's and Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS within Equestria, with Twilight replacing Nanoha as the main. If I were to app, say, Fate Testarossa (whose origins remain the same as in the normal Nanoha stories, except she becomes a pony when she ends up in Equestria, gets help much sooner than in canon and ends up becoming Twilight's little sister at the end of the first story), would she still be considered counted as a Nanoha character or some combination of MLP and Nanoha?

I know, silly and confusing question, but it's better to be safe than sorry.
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[personal profile] blamemysister 2014-05-04 10:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Just as a quick clarification, Super Sentai shares a world with Precure and crosses over with Kamen Rider. But the events of Superhero War the first established the SS/PC world is separate from Kamen Rider.

Unless the mods were planning on lumping the whole Mixed Toeiverse, these two franchises can probably be considered separate. Also, Precure has a very VERY thin connection to Sentai in the form of christmas audio radio plays.
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[personal profile] noxequus 2014-05-05 07:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Sounds like a Saint Elsewhere problem, which is to say, multiple meta-canons strung together through a series of increasingly improbable and/or shoehorned cameos and/or crossovers.

I'd figure a "meta-canon", in this case, would probably be defined a little better with the term "franchise". For example, Beast Wars and Transformers Prime are both part of the Transformers franchise, Equestria Girls and My Little Pony Tales are both in the MLP franchise, and so on.

That's technically for the mods to call, though, just offering my two bits.
Edited 2014-05-05 19:19 (UTC)
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[personal profile] forwantofapartycannon 2014-05-05 09:45 pm (UTC)(link)
That's pretty much it really. This is more of a "franchise" than a "meta-canon" because while both have established continuities and/or crossovers, each season as it were is pretty much standalone for the most part. It wasn't till recently that Toei decided to do events such as crossovers with Kamen Rider and the like.

Apping someone from say Fourze and then from OOO is thematically different, despite OOO coming before Fourze in the overall franchise timeline. Both are different timeframes, self-contained stories, and only crossover officially in the big summer movies, ie Kamen Rider x Kamen Rider. Traditionally Kamen Rider began this event years ago, but only has seen a strong resurgence of cross-season franchise crossovers.

The same goes for Super Sentai. While Gokaiger connects all 35 seasons plus with loose continuity, it's thematically singular in nature. Someone from Shinkenger (samurai) is far different from someone from Kyoryuger (dinosaurs). Historically since I think the early days of 1992 or so, they had cross-season crossovers, but each season is a self-contained franchise, much like how there are say, numerous Final Fantasies and only a similar naming scheme with similar elements to connect it. The connection is by franchise, not meta-canon. The crossovers are paper thin at best, but can be used by applicants to assist in fleshing out interactions and pre-determined CR.

In this case, using the Final Fantasy definition, you cannot say "FFV has chocobos so it's the same universe/meta-canon as FFX." No, it doesn't work that way. In this case, it is a reuse of assets rather than creating new ones. Kamen Rider, Super Sentai and Precure are very similar in nature, since they love to reuse assets, locations, and even writers who prefer by far, specific themes.
Edited 2014-05-05 21:47 (UTC)
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[personal profile] stormbroken 2014-05-05 10:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Which would be why I veered towards the word "franchise" first. Regardless, this ends up being a slippery slope scenario because some franchises, like aforementioned MLP and Transformers, use more than just stock setting assets.

Then there's an odd question that comes up in Super Sentai almost exclusively - if you play Billy Cranston from Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers and Dan from Zyuranger, are you actually playing two separate characters?
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[personal profile] blamemysister 2014-05-05 10:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah but also like Transformers, not all continuities are intermixed, and even if it is, it is in the supplemental material. Like how Transformers Beast Wars is a direct continuation of the G1 era, but it boasts only cameos of the originals.

You probably are. While I am not familiar with Dan's character on a whole, an adaptation such as MMPR stands alone as a character apart from Dan. Even while similarities run deep in both (assuming they do), there is also the whole point that one shouldn't lump Power Rangers and Sentai as the same thing, even if they reuse the material.

It's also like how W.I.T.C.H. for example has the same characters with roughly the same designs, but their histories have veered off in drastically different directions, along with their characterization. Again, I couldn't say if Billy was a Dan clone or what not, but the same idea probably stays the same.
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[personal profile] stormbroken 2014-05-05 11:12 pm (UTC)(link)
For interest in keeping the information accessible from one place, this discussion kind of spilled out into this plurk here, and goes into various discussions on the principle of franchises and the seperation thereof, as well as discussing fanfic stuff.

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[personal profile] elementofloyalty 2014-05-05 04:16 am (UTC)(link)
Although I don't think it'll ever come up for one player, nonetheless I have to disagree pretty strongly on your "same basic story in multiple mediums" classification, particularly since you listed Final Fantasy as an example. I have muses from multiple different FFs on my list, and they have nothing in common. There is no continuity between the different games at all except for common elements between games like chocobos and spell naming.

I think I briefly saw on plurk the argument that the series has a shared metaverse from Dissidia, but Dissidia is an AU -- saying that the series count as the same metaverse because characters from different games appear in it is like saying that every giant robot anime is the same metaverse because characters from different series appear in Super Robot Wars games. Or alternatively, you'd have to classify The Nightmare Before Christmas as the same metaverse as Final Fantasy because characters from both appear in Kingdom Hearts.

There are plenty of cases where this kind of classification makes sense. Hell, I just call "Makai Kingdom" as part of Disgaea despite not being a named part of the series. But you could make a better argument for La Pucelle being the same metaverse as Disgaea than you could all the Final Fantasies sharing a metaverse. You're also setting yourself up for trouble if it turns out that two works that you wouldn't possibly know on the surface are related would technically fall under the metaverse restriction (e.g. Love Hina and Negima).

I'm not arguing against the restriction, and I understand (and agree) with why it's in place, but I do think you're applying the criteria too broadly.
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[personal profile] magicalrealist 2014-05-05 07:08 am (UTC)(link)
So since canon and fanon are being pushed under the same umbrella, would that affect the kind of characters that are allowed to app into the game? Let's take Devil May Cry and the recent addition to the franchise: DmC: Devil May Cry, for example. The latter is a DMC game in name only and shares almost no similarities with the original canon. DmC!Vergil, for example, is nothing like canon!Vergil. Would DmC!Vergil be counted as a Vergil AU, an OU or would he be rejected from being completely different from his canon counterpart?

Let's expand on that example: let's say Goldude wanted to try apping Time Loops!Chrysalis (A Queen Chrysalis from a time loops fanfiction that mirrored canon events until a certain point) into the game again. Last time, the app got rejected because she was deemed too far away from her canon counterpart. If DmC!Vergil (whose only similarity to canon!Vergil is the name) were to get accepted, then wouldn't Loops!Chrysalis be allowed?