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Quick but important OoC update!
Hey, everyone! Ni here with a quick announcement regarding a change in rules regarding canon character limits. The changes in these rules are reflected in our F.A.Q., as well as the rules regarding the limit on basement items, and the change regarding Celestia being apped. The canon character limit information, however, is the most important, and is addressed both in the F.A.Q. and below.
Basically, after discussion among the mods, its been decided that our two character limit per canon needed to be clarified, and a potential loophole closed. I just want to clarify that no one's been abusing this, no one's in trouble, everyone is fine, and you guys are all awesome. But its something that has been brought up and thus still needs to be addressed and clarified for the future.
In any case, as a result of our discussions, we've decided that our two-character-per-canon limit now applies to meta-canons/fandom metaverses. What this means is that players can only app up to two characters per meta-canon, as well as just in any given canon. Our definition of a meta-canon, or metaverse, is basically a canon with multiple iterations, be it canons with multiple series within its metaverse that share a common, overarching multiverse (such as Kamen Rider/Super Sentai and the Marvel multiverse), or as metaverses which have canons which retell the same basic story in multiple mediums (such as Sailor Moon and Final Fantasy). The new limit rule takes effect immediately.
We know that this creates a potential problem for some players currently in-game. As a result of this rule change, some players' character rosters may go over the set limit because of how we now classify certain canons. However, we're not going to make anyone drop any characters they currently have, since the rule change is a new one. Instead, we've decided that characters currently in-game who would normally count towards a player's character limit will be grandfathered in. Players won't be penalized for any current characters which violate this new rule, and they won't be required to drop any current characters as a result. However, if said characters are dropped in the future, said characters will be subject to the character limit, and players will not be allowed to re-apply for them without adhering to the new limits. This includes if said characters are auto-dropped in the future because of a failed AC.
With that, thank you for reading, and we will continue to keep you updated on any new changes and rule clarifications in the future!
Basically, after discussion among the mods, its been decided that our two character limit per canon needed to be clarified, and a potential loophole closed. I just want to clarify that no one's been abusing this, no one's in trouble, everyone is fine, and you guys are all awesome. But its something that has been brought up and thus still needs to be addressed and clarified for the future.
In any case, as a result of our discussions, we've decided that our two-character-per-canon limit now applies to meta-canons/fandom metaverses. What this means is that players can only app up to two characters per meta-canon, as well as just in any given canon. Our definition of a meta-canon, or metaverse, is basically a canon with multiple iterations, be it canons with multiple series within its metaverse that share a common, overarching multiverse (such as Kamen Rider/Super Sentai and the Marvel multiverse), or as metaverses which have canons which retell the same basic story in multiple mediums (such as Sailor Moon and Final Fantasy). The new limit rule takes effect immediately.
We know that this creates a potential problem for some players currently in-game. As a result of this rule change, some players' character rosters may go over the set limit because of how we now classify certain canons. However, we're not going to make anyone drop any characters they currently have, since the rule change is a new one. Instead, we've decided that characters currently in-game who would normally count towards a player's character limit will be grandfathered in. Players won't be penalized for any current characters which violate this new rule, and they won't be required to drop any current characters as a result. However, if said characters are dropped in the future, said characters will be subject to the character limit, and players will not be allowed to re-apply for them without adhering to the new limits. This includes if said characters are auto-dropped in the future because of a failed AC.
With that, thank you for reading, and we will continue to keep you updated on any new changes and rule clarifications in the future!
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If the MLP fanfiction character isn't an OC, then that would count as a metacanon.
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For example, let's go with the "Magical Pony Lyrical Twilight" stories, which puts the events of Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha, Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha A's and Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS within Equestria, with Twilight replacing Nanoha as the main. If I were to app, say, Fate Testarossa (whose origins remain the same as in the normal Nanoha stories, except she becomes a pony when she ends up in Equestria, gets help much sooner than in canon and ends up becoming Twilight's little sister at the end of the first story), would she still be considered counted as a Nanoha character or some combination of MLP and Nanoha?
I know, silly and confusing question, but it's better to be safe than sorry.
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Unless the mods were planning on lumping the whole Mixed Toeiverse, these two franchises can probably be considered separate. Also, Precure has a very VERY thin connection to Sentai in the form of christmas audio radio plays.
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I'd figure a "meta-canon", in this case, would probably be defined a little better with the term "franchise". For example, Beast Wars and Transformers Prime are both part of the Transformers franchise, Equestria Girls and My Little Pony Tales are both in the MLP franchise, and so on.
That's technically for the mods to call, though, just offering my two bits.
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Apping someone from say Fourze and then from OOO is thematically different, despite OOO coming before Fourze in the overall franchise timeline. Both are different timeframes, self-contained stories, and only crossover officially in the big summer movies, ie Kamen Rider x Kamen Rider. Traditionally Kamen Rider began this event years ago, but only has seen a strong resurgence of cross-season franchise crossovers.
The same goes for Super Sentai. While Gokaiger connects all 35 seasons plus with loose continuity, it's thematically singular in nature. Someone from Shinkenger (samurai) is far different from someone from Kyoryuger (dinosaurs). Historically since I think the early days of 1992 or so, they had cross-season crossovers, but each season is a self-contained franchise, much like how there are say, numerous Final Fantasies and only a similar naming scheme with similar elements to connect it. The connection is by franchise, not meta-canon. The crossovers are paper thin at best, but can be used by applicants to assist in fleshing out interactions and pre-determined CR.
In this case, using the Final Fantasy definition, you cannot say "FFV has chocobos so it's the same universe/meta-canon as FFX." No, it doesn't work that way. In this case, it is a reuse of assets rather than creating new ones. Kamen Rider, Super Sentai and Precure are very similar in nature, since they love to reuse assets, locations, and even writers who prefer by far, specific themes.
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Then there's an odd question that comes up in Super Sentai almost exclusively - if you play Billy Cranston from Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers and Dan from Zyuranger, are you actually playing two separate characters?
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You probably are. While I am not familiar with Dan's character on a whole, an adaptation such as MMPR stands alone as a character apart from Dan. Even while similarities run deep in both (assuming they do), there is also the whole point that one shouldn't lump Power Rangers and Sentai as the same thing, even if they reuse the material.
It's also like how W.I.T.C.H. for example has the same characters with roughly the same designs, but their histories have veered off in drastically different directions, along with their characterization. Again, I couldn't say if Billy was a Dan clone or what not, but the same idea probably stays the same.
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As for the request for additional character slots, for the moment we're going to keep things where they are. We appreciate that some folks have the time and enthusiasm to throw a whole slew of characters at a single game, but we'd like to keep a balance in the number of characters that any one individual is playing.
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I think I briefly saw on plurk the argument that the series has a shared metaverse from Dissidia, but Dissidia is an AU -- saying that the series count as the same metaverse because characters from different games appear in it is like saying that every giant robot anime is the same metaverse because characters from different series appear in Super Robot Wars games. Or alternatively, you'd have to classify The Nightmare Before Christmas as the same metaverse as Final Fantasy because characters from both appear in Kingdom Hearts.
There are plenty of cases where this kind of classification makes sense. Hell, I just call "Makai Kingdom" as part of Disgaea despite not being a named part of the series. But you could make a better argument for La Pucelle being the same metaverse as Disgaea than you could all the Final Fantasies sharing a metaverse. You're also setting yourself up for trouble if it turns out that two works that you wouldn't possibly know on the surface are related would technically fall under the metaverse restriction (e.g. Love Hina and Negima).
I'm not arguing against the restriction, and I understand (and agree) with why it's in place, but I do think you're applying the criteria too broadly.
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On the other hand, that said, we also understand where you're coming from. The rule in general (as with many rules) still has room to be further clarified and given a better definition, so this kind of feedback is helpful in figuring out just how we classify certain things when it comes to multiple canons under one banner, and applying for characters from them.
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The way we'll be handling situations like Kingdom Hearts where multiple canons appear as AU is that we will require mutual acknowledgement in-canon from both the OU and AU for it to be considered part of the same meta-canon. Characters will still be considered AU to whatever their original canon was. So KH!Jack Skellington would be considered an AU of Nightmare Before Christmas!Jack Skellington who has no part in the KH meta-canon universe. You could theoretically play KH!Jack along with two Final Fantasy characters. You couldn't play three KH-based characters, though.
We will be taking things on a case-by-case basis as they come up, though. If they come up. We don't expect this situation to arise in many cases outside the more clear-cut ones like MLP due to the nature of the game.
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Let's expand on that example: let's say Goldude wanted to try apping Time Loops!Chrysalis (A Queen Chrysalis from a time loops fanfiction that mirrored canon events until a certain point) into the game again. Last time, the app got rejected because she was deemed too far away from her canon counterpart. If DmC!Vergil (whose only similarity to canon!Vergil is the name) were to get accepted, then wouldn't Loops!Chrysalis be allowed?
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The Long Answer: The DMC/DmC situation is most analogous to the MLP television series and MLP comics situation. These are both published media but have characters that diverge strongly from one another (e.g., Princess Luna). Because there is the possibility for DmC!Vergil or MLP Comics!Luna to be considered an OU in their own rights, were that to have been published first these characterizations are considered valid. However, these characters would still be considered part of the meta-canon for their overall franchise. Therefore, Someone couldn't app a DMC!Vergil, DmC!Dante, and Viewtiful Joe!Alastor all at once. These are characters all from the the same meta-canon.
Loops!Chrissy, on the other hand, is a fan-made AU. And the only original canon to draw from for her puts her outside the bounds of the canon character she is being AU'd from.